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Andrew FraserParticipantAndrew FraserParticipant
… and RoSPA also provide a fact sheet:
https://www.rospa.com/road-safety/advice/roads/rural-road-safety
Andrew FraserParticipantLoads of (past!) references here, Rob:
Andrew FraserParticipantThere are hi-vis vests with sleeves, is that’s any help:
Andrew.
Andrew FraserParticipantHear, hear!
Andrew FraserParticipantMany thanks for the facts, Peter.
As to Devon’s program (sic), as usual, the deaf have been overlooked.Andrew FraserParticipantPositive messages? Sorry, but this seems to me to be rather, well, desperate. Shared space is an highly questionable concept. It certainly isn’t enjoyed by all in my neck of the woods. Especially elderly, frail, deaf, blind, pram-pushing, dog-walking pedestrians. Apparently, we’ve all to jump aside (into the carriageway, presumably) for the sake of the cyclist, scooterist, etc. The silent majority, I believe, are becoming thoroughly fed up with it. So, no – I don’t have any “positive” messages about it, despite having been an enthusiastic cyclist in my youth.
But there may be something I’m missing …Andrew FraserParticipantPeter,
You should check the latest edition of STATS20, vehicles section, which should clarify the matter for you.
The above takes you the 2011 non-CRASH edition – I’m afraid I don’t know whether there have been any important revisions since then.
Andrew
Andrew FraserParticipantHello, Roger.
Yes, I often wonder what’s meant by a road safety professional, myself! I’m a civil engineer who got caught up in the drive to improve road safety through engineering in the 1980s, but I’m not sure I’d qualify.
As to U-turns on dual carriageways, there are plenty of bans in my area, too, and, where the central reservation is narrow, they are probably justified. If I was teaching, I’d recommend heading for the next roundabout, if there is one. If there isn’t and the central reservation is as wide as the case I referred to earlier, I honestly can’t see why a U-turn should be any more of a problem than a right turn. (Of course, that’s amongst the worst manoeuvres in the book, anyway!)
It’s U-turns on single carriageways that I’d be more concerned about.
On a slightly different tack, I often wished that ADIs and engineers could have got together on the matter of road safety. I know some ADIs were very concerned about some of the recent changes to the test – particularly the one concerning pulling up on the right hand side of the road. Guess what the last accident to cross my desk involved ….
Kind regards,
Andrew.
Andrew FraserParticipantHello, Jim.
As far as I’m aware there’s no such standard. And there seems to be only one reference to U-turns in the Highway Code, but that concerns mini-roundabouts. So all you have to do is follow Rule 144. You MUST NOT
● drive dangerously
● drive without due care and attention
● drive without reasonable consideration for other road users. Law RTA 1988 sects 2 & 3 as amended by RTA 1991I had occasion to look at U-turning on dual carriageways, but could find little research on its safety. What I did find was American and, as I recall it, it wasn’t the highly dangerous thing you might have expected. I suppose it would depend on the usual suspects: speed, volume, no. of lanes, weather, etc. In the particular case on which I was involved, the choice was whether to introduce another signalled junction at a commercial development or to oblige drivers to U-turn at an existing opening in a very wide central reservation, a short distance away. The latter (no new junction) was decided upon and there has been no problem for over a decade, now.
Perhaps, if it is provided for properly, no further “nationally approved guidelines” are necessary. This Malaysian paper might interest you:
https://scialert.net/fulltext/?doi=jas.2013.602.608
Andrew.
Andrew FraserParticipantHad a meeting with the Community Council concerning this problem. I said nothing, but let the other 11 who attended (including a teacher form the school) talk amongst themselves. Ours is a primary school remote from main roads, but with around 6 approaches to it, via surprisingly wide suburban streets. There was no conclusion, but the mood seemed gradually to shift towards school streets, with parents being encouraged to drop/uplift on a “circular” route around the vicinity (we’re more or less surrounded by the River Forth) where there are no houses on either side, or only on one side. I guess we’re luckier than most. Next steps are to approach the parents involved and the local Council.
Napier University has done some work on the matter.
Download: School Streets Closure Traffic Displacement Literature Review FINAL.pdf
Again, I realise that this doesn’t answer the question, but I feel that there’s something inevitable about it!
It is simply not possible to enforce the relevant regulations (parking and engine-running), or to reduce the congestion and inconvenience (especially to hard-pressed delivery drivers) any other way …
Andrew FraserParticipantI don’t know how serious in terms of safety this really is, but I live opposite a primary school, and the number of children being transported to school by car certainly causes inconvenience. Particularly annoying is the total disrespect for parking restrictions shown by many parents (most unable to park the right way round, never mind anything else) and parents who sit for up to half-an-hour with their engines running. Mention it, and one is faced with a torrent of abuse. I doubt whether promises or pledges will have any effect on the hard core, or the cohort who are always late, and I think the next step, locally, will be:
I know that doesn’t answer the question …
Andrew
Andrew FraserParticipantKaren,
I hope you’ll excuse me for banging on about this, but there’s oodles of research on the matters you list. None of it would matter a great deal if we could only change the mindset of governments who are taking the worst possible route to Intelligent Speed Assistance – leaving it to the market. Intelligent Speed Assistance has been with us for years now (look up Oliver Carsten’s & Leeds University’s work), but only Transport for London has adopted ISA for its buses.
As I understand it, however, from 2022, all new vehicles will be fitted with a (to my mind second rate) form of ISA which involves traffic sign recognition, rather than a GPS/digital map system. But the cost of doing nothing earlier must be huge, and is probably calculable, although no-one appears to want to know.
As far as changing behaviour is concerned, this nearly impossible task might have been achieved if governments had adopted graduated driver licensing (GDL), rather than sitting back and allowing school based pre-driver training-type “initiatives” to go ahead (guaranteed to increase casualty numbers).
I wonder whether you might be better aiming your campaign at government complacency, rather than the all-too-human driver.
Kind regards,
Andrew.
Andrew FraserParticipantNigel,
Although I’ve retired from paid employment, I would still be interested to know how you handled the traffic signs around an unlit roundabout.
I came across one in Clackmannanshire during a power cut one night, and couldn’t read any of the chevron type signs on the splitter islands.
I’ve always thought that route confirmatory signs placed on the left of each exit would be more appropriate at all roundabouts, for several reasons, amongst which is giving road users a better chance of being able to read them in time in unlit situations.
So, what did you do?Regards,
Andrew.
March 4, 2021 at 10:31 am in reply to: Reduction of motorcycle rider serious injury and fatal accidents through advanced training #16780Andrew FraserParticipantHello, Tim.
My original post seems to have disappeared, but I think I suggested that you contact: mark.a.elliott@strath.ac.uk as he has had some experience in using an MRBQ.
Amongst his work is:
Andrew.
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