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Help requested posted on 21st May 2019:

Licence to sell alcohol at a motorcycle dealership

Hello all

In common with many other retailers some bike shops have opened up cafes at their premises to encourage trade and get a community biker feel going. All good stuff in fact.

I have recently been asked to comment though on an application to upgrade the café to one permitted to sell alcohol. Instinctively this feels problematic because although we permit the sale of alcohol in service stations and pubs have car parks etc etc, bikes are a different animal in a number of respects:

1. In terms of alcohol use they are especially unforgiving - the old maxim of 'you can't fall off a car' is apt here.

2. You can't have a duty driver on a bike - because a drunk pillion is potentially as problematic as a drunk rider.

But I have no precedent to work with down here so would be keen to learn from experience elsewhere - including, in the spirit of a fair and balanced view, where licenses have been granted and outcomes have been good.

Thanks

Jeremy Phillips

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Response posted on 22nd May 2019 by:
Andrew Garden

E: blueacorns@gmail.com
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Licence to sell alcohol at a motorcycle dealership

Hi, not sure how we could object because a customer might have a drink, not a lot but a drink, when they legally can do so up to the legal drink drive limit. Yes, a customer may drink and then drive over the limit, but that reasoning could apply equally if not more so for all the other outlets.
It would certainly be a challenge to try and associate a previous bike shop with an alcohol issue to the present example.
Perhaps the real question is how the applicant can manage the person passing the shop front and then entering and using the shop in a similar way to a pub.


Response posted on 22nd May 2019 by:
Colin Brown

E: cbrown@mag-uk.org
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Licence to sell alcohol at a motorcycle dealership

The question of the core business of the location applying for the licence is irrelevant. The fact that, as you rightly point out, drivers or motorcyclists can drive to a pub to purchase alcohol is not a reason to object to a licence for a pub. This argument cannot therefore be applied to a licence for a motorcycle dealership. Bear in mind also that motorcyclists consistently have a better record for drink drive offences than car drivers with 3.2% of motorcyclists failing breath tests as opposed to 4% of car drivers in 2017 https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/743225/ras51021.ods
It would seem reasonable to place certain expectations on the reasonable management of alcohol sales by the dealership to limit the numbers of individuals leaving the premises whilst over the prescribed limit. There would also be opportunity to engage in general drink drive awareness messages at the dealership.


Response posted on 24th May 2019 by:
Mike Cork

E: m.cork@mawwfire.gov.uk
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Licence to sell alcohol at a motorcycle dealership

Why is there an assumption that the motorcyclist or pinion is going to drink alcohol.

There are many patrons of motorcycle dealerships that arrive at a dealership by car, public transport or on foot when looking to buy motorcycles, parts or accessories. They could have a beer and not ride or drive.

Many dealerships have clubs affiliated to the dealership. Meetings are generally planned. Members are likely to make transportation arrangements if drinking as they would to any other venue.

I think the question could be a little discriminating in the first instance. Not all bikers feel the need to drink alcohol in copious amounts wherever they go.


Response posted on 30th May 2019 by:
Karen Cole

E: k.cole@mcia.co.uk
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Licence to sell alcohol at a motorcycle dealership

The Bike Shed in Shoreditch don't sell bikes, but sell lots of accessories and are frequented predominantly by bikers. They have large areas designated for bike parking.
As well as customers during the day, they have bike clubs meeting at the shop in the evenings, but no problems reported of drinking and riding.
The Met Police have ran some BikeSafe courses from there.
I cant see the issue.


Response posted on 31st May 2019 by:
Jeremy

E: jeremy.phillips@devon.gov.uk
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Licence to sell alcohol at a motorcycle dealership

Just a quick word of thanks to everyone who responded to this request, it's been very helpful thank you.


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