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Help requested posted on 27th November 2018:

Incorporating signing in Public Realm Schemes

I'm currently installing a Public Realm Scheme which is seeking to retain/maximise parking (a difficult balance to achieve). The parking restrictions require a number of associated signs (1 hour limited waiting, no return within 2 hours, Disabled Parking, EV parking). I need to sensitively install these signs and I'm reluctant to use standard posts at standard mounting heights. I'm considering clamping them to bollards but I'm wary of VRU's catching them at low heights. Signs incorporated within the bollards themselves won't work because of sizing issues. There is limited street furniture to attach the signs to so I wondered if anyone had any thoughts or novel ideas?

Paul McKenna

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Response posted on 28th November 2018 by:
Mark Foweraker

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Incorporating signing in Public Realm Schemes

You could have the sign spanning between two bollards, assuming they are of a post like profile, so it would depend upon the design of the bollards used in the scheme. The height would need to be higher than normal, see Glasdon's Infomaster for an idea of that, and you would need to provide reflective and contrasting bands just above ground level and near the top. See DfT's Inclusive Mobilty page 29, but the tapping rail would not be needed for such a short gap. The problem with this is that you would need one sign per space, or you could go higher, but less than normal mounting height but when you are above typical car roof levels you are nearly at standard mounting height. Regarding Disabled Bays, the 2016 Regs allow markings (or signs) only, but this is (in my opinion) about ensuring enforcability and has maintenace obligations that having both does not have.
[I reserver the right to be wrong ;-) ]


Response posted on 28th November 2018 by:
Derek C Donald

E: d.c.donald@btinternet.com
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Incorporating signing in Public Realm Schemes

Have you considered affixing them to property walls or boundary with the owners permission?


Response posted on 28th November 2018 by:
Tim Philpot

E: tim.philpot@wolverhampton.gov.uk
T: 07825530346

Incorporating signing in Public Realm Schemes

Tricky really. I can only advise that whatever you do you ensure you abide by minimum DfT Specifications if you want the tros to be enforceable. The public are informed and astute and will find and challenge discrepancies, which could not just undermine your scheme but also require repayment. You might take a look at Coventry, who I understand are using a global tro such that parking is prohibited everywhere other than marked and signed locations. This could help with general sign and marking clutter but probably not where you need to demarcate permitted parking.


Response posted on 28th November 2018 by:
Joe Walker

E: joe.walker@kirklees.gov.uk
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Incorporating signing in Public Realm Schemes

Hi there - I've done something similar and have fastened signs to stats cabinets using epoxy resin. I seem to recall redesigning timeplates so they are narrow & deep, rather than wide and shallow.


Response posted on 29th November 2018 by:
Philippa Young

E: philippayoung@warwickshire.gov.uk
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Incorporating signing in Public Realm Schemes

Have you considered introducing a restricted parking zone? This significanlty reduces the amount of signing required.


Response posted on 7th December 2018 by:
Paul McKenna

E: paul.mckenna@capita.co.uk
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Incorporating signing in Public Realm Schemes

Thanks for all your responses, very interesting debate.

For now we are going to retain the original stance of affixing them to the bollards. The overhang is less than 70mm on either side and their position makes them the most visible.

We did consider the alternative measures mentioned above, using existing street furniture or building frontages wasn't viable, we looked at a Restricted Parking Zone but elected members weren't keen.

Ultimately, there's still work to be done in my opinion to find an optimal solution!


Response posted on 14th December 2018 by:
Dave Parke

E: david.parke@wsp.com
T: 01179306315

Incorporating signing in Public Realm Schemes

Hi Paul,
Have you seen the Infomaster bollard from Glasdon?

https://uk.glasdon.com/road-safety/bollards/infomaster-tm-bollard

Cheers
Dave


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